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	<description>Infamous Women</description>
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		<title>Comment on Margaret Beaufort, Tudor Grande Dame by Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 10:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks- glad you enjoyed it. I know very little about Margaret Beauchamp so am looking forward to reading your post about her. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks- glad you enjoyed it. I know very little about Margaret Beauchamp so am looking forward to reading your post about her. <img src='http://harlotsharpiesharridans.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Margaret Beaufort, Tudor Grande Dame by Frances Bevan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frances Bevan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2012 07:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I very much enjoyed this post.  You might like to read about Margaret Beaufort&#039;s mother, Margaret Beauchamp on my blog Status, Scandal and Subterfuge www.lydiardhouse.blogspot.com. Her first marriage to Oliver St John established another dynasty, and led to further, if slightly disreputable, royal connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I very much enjoyed this post.  You might like to read about Margaret Beaufort&#8217;s mother, Margaret Beauchamp on my blog Status, Scandal and Subterfuge <a href="http://www.lydiardhouse.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.lydiardhouse.blogspot.com</a>. Her first marriage to Oliver St John established another dynasty, and led to further, if slightly disreputable, royal connections.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You would think that but as I understand it, it&#039;s only the big-shot authors who have any say. It&#039;s really down to the publishers and their marketing departments. 

I love Paul Strathern&#039;s &lt;em&gt;The Medici&lt;/em&gt; too. The same portrait is used on Miles Unger&#039;s Magnifico. I think that&#039;s a really good comparison as Lorenzo was&#039;t a good looking man but he is quite fascinating to look at and you can see how, despite it, he may well have been terribly attractive. Quite a challenging cover image, but one that works. More of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You would think that but as I understand it, it&#8217;s only the big-shot authors who have any say. It&#8217;s really down to the publishers and their marketing departments. </p>
<p>I love Paul Strathern&#8217;s <em>The Medici</em> too. The same portrait is used on Miles Unger&#8217;s Magnifico. I think that&#8217;s a really good comparison as Lorenzo was&#8217;t a good looking man but he is quite fascinating to look at and you can see how, despite it, he may well have been terribly attractive. Quite a challenging cover image, but one that works. More of that!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:56:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hadn&#039;t thought of it in terms of the reader projecting &lt;em&gt;themselves&lt;/em&gt;, only that they might want to create their own picture of the main character. That&#039;s really interesting. Maybe I just don&#039;t project like that as much as other readers? But yes, who&#039;d want to daydream about being married to Henry VIII? 

I think The Borgia Bride has a rather good cover. It is intriguing and slightly different while also fulfilling the more mundane tasks of a cover (suggesting genre and hinting at subject matter) and apart from Sanchia (who I presume this to be, having read the book) having a head, it&#039;s stylistically similar to the headless women so the publicity dept probably wasn&#039;t having palpitations worrying that people wouldn&#039;t realise it was a historical novel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought of it in terms of the reader projecting <em>themselves</em>, only that they might want to create their own picture of the main character. That&#8217;s really interesting. Maybe I just don&#8217;t project like that as much as other readers? But yes, who&#8217;d want to daydream about being married to Henry VIII? </p>
<p>I think The Borgia Bride has a rather good cover. It is intriguing and slightly different while also fulfilling the more mundane tasks of a cover (suggesting genre and hinting at subject matter) and apart from Sanchia (who I presume this to be, having read the book) having a head, it&#8217;s stylistically similar to the headless women so the publicity dept probably wasn&#8217;t having palpitations worrying that people wouldn&#8217;t realise it was a historical novel.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agree. I really think the received wisdom that dictates that everything should be uniform and boring is just rubbish. for the most part, the only thing two historical novels will have in common is that they are set in a time which is not now. With only that linking them, why do they need to look alike? It makes no sense to me, and I think it does the novel, its author and readers a disservice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agree. I really think the received wisdom that dictates that everything should be uniform and boring is just rubbish. for the most part, the only thing two historical novels will have in common is that they are set in a time which is not now. With only that linking them, why do they need to look alike? It makes no sense to me, and I think it does the novel, its author and readers a disservice.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s not arbitrary- there is probably a fair bit of industry wisdom suggesting this is what people want. I just think that that wisdom is wrong. In fact, I think a lot of the information on what people want is totally wrong, even if we set aside the fact that everybody doesn&#039;t want the same things. 

I&#039;d love to see more imaginative book covers which suggest some of the ideas and themes in the book. It&#039;s so nice when a cover stands out, like the one for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1905490801/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=medeascauldro-21&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=19450&amp;creativeASIN=1905490801&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Whores&#039; Asylum by Katy Darby&lt;/a&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=medeascauldro-21&amp;l=as2&amp;o=2&amp;a=1905490801&quot; width=&quot;1&quot; height=&quot;1&quot; border=&quot;0&quot; alt=&quot;&quot; style=&quot;border:none !important; margin:0px !important;&quot; /&gt; which is very simple and old fashioned but is such a huge contrast to the headless-woman-in-long-frock standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s not arbitrary- there is probably a fair bit of industry wisdom suggesting this is what people want. I just think that that wisdom is wrong. In fact, I think a lot of the information on what people want is totally wrong, even if we set aside the fact that everybody doesn&#8217;t want the same things. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see more imaginative book covers which suggest some of the ideas and themes in the book. It&#8217;s so nice when a cover stands out, like the one for <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1905490801/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&#038;tag=medeascauldro-21&#038;linkCode=as2&#038;camp=1634&#038;creative=19450&#038;creativeASIN=1905490801" rel="nofollow">The Whores&#8217; Asylum by Katy Darby</a><img src="http://www.assoc-amazon.co.uk/e/ir?t=medeascauldro-21&#038;l=as2&#038;o=2&#038;a=1905490801" width="1" height="1" border="0" alt="" style="border:none !important; margin:0px !important;" /> which is very simple and old fashioned but is such a huge contrast to the headless-woman-in-long-frock standard.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Gillian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gillian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 19:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think perhaps it&#039;s that marketers think the public don&#039;t like images of &quot;real&quot; women and the example of the Catherine of Aragon book is a pretty stark indicator of that. I also think they&#039;re wrong. Perhaps I&#039;m just being overly complimentary to people who read, but I don&#039;t think your average book-buyer finds these blank or faceless women interesting or intriguing, especially not now that they proliferate. I do tend to think this is part of a more general sexism in marketing and advertising than a harmless trend though.

Tudor necklines were especially low and being square-cut tended to be more revealing. Sometimes women would cover up a little more with the addition of some gauzy material so there wasn&#039;t quite so much skin on show but that tended to depend on the individual and temporary fashions for modesty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think perhaps it&#8217;s that marketers think the public don&#8217;t like images of &#8220;real&#8221; women and the example of the Catherine of Aragon book is a pretty stark indicator of that. I also think they&#8217;re wrong. Perhaps I&#8217;m just being overly complimentary to people who read, but I don&#8217;t think your average book-buyer finds these blank or faceless women interesting or intriguing, especially not now that they proliferate. I do tend to think this is part of a more general sexism in marketing and advertising than a harmless trend though.</p>
<p>Tudor necklines were especially low and being square-cut tended to be more revealing. Sometimes women would cover up a little more with the addition of some gauzy material so there wasn&#8217;t quite so much skin on show but that tended to depend on the individual and temporary fashions for modesty.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Simon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never judge a book by its cover - cliched but true. You&#039;d think the author should get a say in the cover that&#039;s used. I hate these kind of posed model covers for historical books, especially when there are real portraits of the people you could use, although I suspect they are considered too ugly by marketing people. My favourite is The Medici by Paul Strathern which features him in all his ugly glory (also a great book). Then again I guess it seems to be acceptable to have pictures of ugly men on covers just not ugly women, same with TV and movies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never judge a book by its cover &#8211; cliched but true. You&#8217;d think the author should get a say in the cover that&#8217;s used. I hate these kind of posed model covers for historical books, especially when there are real portraits of the people you could use, although I suspect they are considered too ugly by marketing people. My favourite is The Medici by Paul Strathern which features him in all his ugly glory (also a great book). Then again I guess it seems to be acceptable to have pictures of ugly men on covers just not ugly women, same with TV and movies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Sinister March of The Headless Women by Jen McGregor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen McGregor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2012 13:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it, the thinking behind cropping out the head on these pictures is that it allows the viewer to imagine themselves in the figure&#039;s place. They project their own features rather than becoming distracted and possibly put off by features they&#039;d find unappealing. (However, by that measure, no book should ever have Henry VIII on the cover - ugh.)

Personally, I don&#039;t like it much. I like eyes. If a figure is used in an advertising image (which is essentially what the cover of a book is), I like them to look me in the eye, or for their eyeline to tell me a story. For example, the image above from the cover of The Borgia Bride - that tells me a story. I can&#039;t see her face, but I can see that her attention is elsewhere and I react by wanting to know what is preoccupying her, why is she not looking at me? The Philippa Gregory cover, on the other hand, tells me very little other than &#039;this woman is pretty in a somewhat unchallenging way&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it, the thinking behind cropping out the head on these pictures is that it allows the viewer to imagine themselves in the figure&#8217;s place. They project their own features rather than becoming distracted and possibly put off by features they&#8217;d find unappealing. (However, by that measure, no book should ever have Henry VIII on the cover &#8211; ugh.)</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t like it much. I like eyes. If a figure is used in an advertising image (which is essentially what the cover of a book is), I like them to look me in the eye, or for their eyeline to tell me a story. For example, the image above from the cover of The Borgia Bride &#8211; that tells me a story. I can&#8217;t see her face, but I can see that her attention is elsewhere and I react by wanting to know what is preoccupying her, why is she not looking at me? The Philippa Gregory cover, on the other hand, tells me very little other than &#8216;this woman is pretty in a somewhat unchallenging way&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Katherine Howard- Some Misconceptions by History Carnival #107 &#8211; March 2012 &#171; The View East</title>
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		<dc:creator>History Carnival #107 &#8211; March 2012 &#171; The View East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Mar 2012 16:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The promotion of infamous women in history continued at Harlots, Harpies and Harridans, with a fine blog post exploding some of the most common myths about Henry VIII&#8217;s fifth wife, Katherine Howard. [...]</description>
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